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Year 4 - N° 177 – September 26, 2010
Bauru, São Paulo (Brasil)
Leonardo Rocha - leonardorocha89@aol.com

Neusa Maria Lodi Ugattis:

“Once we manage to humanise our legal system, we will be able to achieve some degree
of emotional balance”

Neusa Maria Lodi Ugattis (photo) was born in the state of Sao Paulo, in the town of Vargen Grande do Sul, but was brought up in the southern state of Rio Grande do Sul. She is a lawyer in the town of Santa Rita do Passa Quatro. She is also the president of the Amor e Caridade Spiritist Centre, which has a number of social projects. 

O Consolador: Do you come from a spiritist family? 

Yes, my grandfather on my mother´s side was for many years in the board of directors of the same Spiritist Centre I  

work with today. From a very early age I began to take part in the activities of the group. 

O Consolador: How did your family decide to move to the south of Brazil? 

My father bought a petrol station in the area and transferred the family to Santa Rita do Passa Quatro. 

O Consolador: How many Spiritist Centres are there in the town? 

Only one, despite having the town having a population of 30 thousand people. 

O Consolador: How is the Spiritist Movement in the town? 

We´ve been trying to give it a buzz, with a number of initiatives, like inviting spiritist speakers from other towns and cities and going over to visit them too.

O Consolador: Tell us about the project you have – Condomínio João Lázaro – to help low income families. 

We have a loan for use scheme for 37 families, who are allowed to use the houses for two years, while they look for a way of supporting themselves. In those two years, we provide courses on catering, computing and other areas, to help them find a job. We also provide free meals on Saturdays for those families, as well as childcare and evangelisation for their children. 

O Consolador: How about your home for the elderly? 

Yes, we have a home to help the aged till the end of their lives. They live with us and are looked after, managing to live a decent live despite being without the immediate assistance of their families. 

O Consolador: What other activities and services do you provide? 

We have a group working with pregnant women, providing the mums-to- with information on breast feeding, on baby care and birth control. Those women be – many of them teenagers from dysfunctional families – come and spend the whole day with us. 

O Consolador: Do you tell them about the educational aspects of the Spiritist Doctrine? 

Yes, we have been running for twenty years a course for pregnant women on the educational aspects of Spiritism. The idea of this course came from the great Brazilian medium, Chico Xavier. 

O Consolador: Tell us more about that. 

I don´t remember exactly when, but one of our former colleagues here, Ada Resende Goal da Cunha, now disincarnated, went to the city of Uberaba during a period of despair in her life, after the death of her son. Chico Xavier met her and suggested that she began running a course for pregnant women. We now want to get more people in the community to benefit from those services. We are planning to go to local hospitals and schools to raise awareness to our project. 

O Consolador: For many decades now you have carried out a beautiful job, of love and compassion to others. What keeps you going when you face so many difficulties? 

We have the conscience; we know that we are working with Christ. Our aim is to be charitable, to help others, and we feel we are following the steps of those who were moved by those same ideals and began those projects decades ago. We must bear in mind that our work today wouldn´t be possible without the first steps of those who were here in the past. 

O Consolador: You also have a beautiful work with young people. And when we talk about young people these days, we have to mention drugs, which are available everywhere. What can Spiritism do about that? 

One way of tackling that problem is attracting young people to Spiritist Centres. We should make sure they find an environment they can relate to, appropriate to their age, with good quality music, with an element of fun and entertainment, where they can feel at home. Our experience with young people says they enjoy voluntary work in the community and that is what we try to encourage. Not only young people will learn new skills and will be doing something good, but they will also be kept away from drugs on their daily lives. 

O Consolador: You work as a family lawyer, dealing with bitter conflicts, divorce. All relations within families involve feelings, a difficult area, still, for us, human beings. In which way being a spiritist helps you in your profession? 

Spiritism has taught me to humanise relationships, to see the human aspect in them. Once we manage to humanise our legal system, we will be able to achieve some degree of emotional balance. Spiritism has taught me that the family is the base, and that is something I discuss with my clients, with good results so far. I let everyone know, especially the couples, about the lectures we have in our Spiritist Centre, what is coming up. In other words, I talk to them openly about the Spiritist Doctrine and that has helped me finding a solution to many conflicts. 

O Consolador: What are your final thoughts? 

I would like to thank you for the opportunity, for this interview, and I pray to Jesus to make us strong and encourage us to carry on working in his field.



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